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Hee, I'm cooking my first proper fic since the
I've always had this half-formed idea that the break-up wasn't absolute in the beginning (there is of course, no doubt in my mind that they did have a relationship in OotP). That it was, in the first instance, a protective measure for the duration of Remus's stint with the wolves and that perhaps his refusal to reinstate the relationship was the result of some serious self-loathing that was the product of his time with the wolves. Anyway that is the basis of this particular ficcy, thoughts any one?
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That said, I think it CAN work, especially if he's not thinking it has to be a total break; I've just yet to see Remus be really normal about it in a fic, if that makes sense.
But in regard to Remus breaking up with her in appearance as a protective measure -- the main concern is timeline. Two weeks pass between pink Tonks at King's Cross and brown Tonks at the Burrow. Would she have lost the morphing ability completely if Remus hadn't completely broken it off? Otherwise, that's not an unbelievable idea by any means.
I hope this doesn't sound like I'm trashing your ideas. Completely the opposite. It's just an area I've found quite tricky to write, and this is as much me talking through my own fic dilemmas as much as about yours. And I'm excited at the prospect of a new fic from you!
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If I include the sex it will we totally in the sense that this is the last time for an indefinite period that they will be together. With Tonks vowing that she will wait for him and a promise on Remus's part that he will return to her when the whole sorry mess is over. I couldn't write it any other way.
The basis fic has been a long time in the brewing, it's just that tonight I sat down to start it and I suddenly wondered if I could pull off the whole story in a realistic manner. If I can't, then I'll pull the scene.
Timeline, yes, a problem indeed. And in between what you've mentioned we also know that Remus visited Tonks at The Burrow at some point during those couple of weeks, what did they talk about? Did Tonks attempt to change his mind or did they just have a quite chat? The fact that she doesn't want to see him after that 2 week period only serves to heighten the dilemma. I wonder if I could explain it by having her miss him so acutely that she decided it would be better for the both of them if they saw as little of each other as possible, in order to reduce the temptation or longing, a much, much lesser version of the 'out of sight, out of mind' philosophy. I think she would have lost her morphing abilities more or less immediately, I was planning on having it the first night that she goes home to an empty flat, since I've had him staying with her since Grimmauld Place was abandoned.
Not like trashing the ideas at all, this is why I posed the question. One of the reasons I haven't updated any of my WIPs is because I have decided that they seriously lack in the quality and realism department, I have no motivation to continue writing something that I deem to be a pile of junk. This fic is going to be my baby and I want to take every care to make sure that it is perfect before I release it to the masses. I may ask for your help again if you don't mind and if you ever want to talk through any fic writing problems yourself, you will always find me a willing participant.
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If I include the sex it will we totally in the sense that this is the last time for an indefinite period that they will be together. With Tonks vowing that she will wait for him and a promise on Remus's part that he will return to her when the whole sorry mess is over. I couldn't write it any other way.
That's got me crying already. Isn't it fun how there are so many different approaches to this whole breakup? I'm almost to that point in Transfigured Hearts, and I'm actually taking quite the opposite direction. Yet I think both ways (and many others) are just as plausible. I really love reading different takes.
And in between what you've mentioned we also know that Remus visited Tonks at The Burrow at some point during those couple of weeks, what did they talk about? Did Tonks attempt to change his mind or did they just have a quite chat?
I think that can vary as much as breakup. In your scenario, I could see it going either way. Though I sort of like the idea of a quiet chat. Which could be comforting, and lead to temptation...Or it could be very awkward because they feel they can't be intimate like they were before... In my own fic I approached it as them being there for an Order meeting, since Grimmauld's out of the picture at that point, and Tonks finding out for the first time about his mission at the meeting -- because Remus couldn't bring himself to tell her about the mission when he broke up with her.
The fact that she doesn't want to see him after that 2 week period only serves to heighten the dilemma. I wonder if I could explain it by having her miss him so acutely that she decided it would be better for the both of them if they saw as little of each other as possible, in order to reduce the temptation or longing, a much, much lesser version of the 'out of sight, out of mind' philosophy.
I was having this discussion with someone else the other day. I've wondered if she didn't want him to know about the morphing, or about her Patronus. There's also the possibility that she really did want to honor his feeling that they couldn't see each other. (Though even sadder to me is that she couldn't even go home, because there would just be too many questions there she couldn't and didn't want to answer.) Oh, and out of sight out of mind could work well.
I was planning on having it the first night that she goes home to an empty flat, since I've had him staying with her since Grimmauld Place was abandoned.
Another good idea. And I think it's only natural that he'd stay with her then. (I'm doing that too, so please don't think it was a copying issue!)
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In some ways R/T writing is so constrictive, we can't write the fluffy getting together stuff without knowing that some kind of break up lies ahead. In other ways, it is very much an open book, and yes, it's fun to come up with all the different scenarios that might surround it. The reason I want to write it this way for this fic has to do with my explanation for why Remus refuses to meet her eyes in the Hospital Wing scene.
I'm now thinking that I will write the Burrow meeting as a quite but tense chat about how difficult it is to be apart. I think it might compound the early feelings surrounding their break-up. I'm torn between that and it being the point at which Remus decides to tell her that he cannot commit to going back to her and that being the reason for her brown locks. The idea that he couldn't bring himself to tell her about the mission works well because breaking up with her and going to the wolves have got to be two of the hardest things he has ever had to do and there's a one step at a time thing going on there.
I would hazard a guess that she wouldn't want him to know about the patronus and her failure to morph, perhaps in an attempt not to give him any more worries than he already has on his plate, an act of love rather than one of embarrassment or introspection. Yes, at that point I imagine she would be keen to honour his feelings, particularly in the universe that I am creating for them. I shall think hard on that when I write chapter 3. I've been thinking about her not being able to face going home. My problem is that I can't think of any where for her to go. With Grimmauld out of commission and the fact that we know she wouldn't go to her parents in a fit of dejection, I can't think she'd make a habit of staying at The Burrow because she didn't stay there the night of Harry's arrival. Perhaps she could make a habit of staying very late at work?
Him staying with her is a likely scenario, I look forward to reading your take on it. Even if he does have his own place as indicated at the end of GoF, I still think they'd stay together in the wake of Sirius's death and her injury, whether at his place or hers. Hers, in my fic.
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I wonder at the state of my brain sometimes.
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Yeah, on one hand it does seem a bit restricted to know that two weeks after Sirius dies, they've broken up a very happy romance. Because I think they had to have been very happy for them to be so completely depressed in HBP. They knew exactly what they'd lost. But I do think in some ways knowing that's coming makes me enjoy the sweetness even more. They're just a good ship to write for, because they cover every genre.
The reason I want to write it this way for this fic has to do with my explanation for why Remus refuses to meet her eyes in the Hospital Wing scene.
Oooh. Intriguing. What's your take, or does that spoil the fic? Is it that he can't refuse her when he looks into her eyes?
I'm now thinking that I will write the Burrow meeting as a quite but tense chat about how difficult it is to be apart. I think it might compound the early feelings surrounding their break-up. I'm torn between that and it being the point at which Remus decides to tell her that he cannot commit to going back to her and that being the reason for her brown locks.
It could be a bit of both. I really like the latter idea. Not that it's my decision.
The idea that he couldn't bring himself to tell her about the mission works well because breaking up with her and going to the wolves have got to be two of the hardest things he has ever had to do and there's a one step at a time thing going on there.
Thanks. It's always nice to get affirmation about an idea like that. In some ways I think it might be easier for him to break up with her, and the werewolf mission shakes him to the core of his humanity. Giving her up is noble and human - opposite of the selfish wolf. (And this is why I love dialoguing with other authors; I'd never really thought of it in that light before.)
I've been thinking about her not being able to face going home. My problem is that I can't think of any where for her to go. With Grimmauld out of commission and the fact that we know she wouldn't go to her parents in a fit of dejection, I can't think she'd make a habit of staying at The Burrow because she didn't stay there the night of Harry's arrival. Perhaps she could make a habit of staying very late at work?
Are you talking about Christmas? I'd always assumed since she's one of the Hogwarts guards, she's stationed out of Hogsmeade. Either a flat there, or a room at one of the inns? Poor thing, she probably volunteered for extra shifts at the school.
Even if he does have his own place as indicated at the end of GoF, I still think they'd stay together in the wake of Sirius's death and her injury, whether at his place or hers.
That line in GoF's always baffled me. Remus just doesn't seem likely to own some place. And where is he? I tend to think he stopped renting whatever it was and has no place during the OotP year, since he's living at No. 12. The many mysteries surrounding Remus Lupin. :)
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Oh yes, the break up issue holds the basis for endless amounts of R/T true love sweetness. I think we can assume that they broke up because he loves her too much; she counters that with her love and the persistence that that breeds. We can do so much with them and it's so much fun.
Yes, basically it is founded on the premise that if he looks into her eyes, he will be drawn in because he loves her so and they can never lose the intimate connection they have to one another.
The werewolf mission must shake Remus to his very soul, it is against everything that we have seen him to stand for and the xmas scene at The Burrow shows us the only instance of bitterness towards his condition so far.
I'm talking about xmas in so far as she couldn't face her parents then, I have some fairly well formed ideas about her relationship with Ted and Andromeda that is perhaps the subject of another discussion. I can't imagine that she'd go and stay with them in the wake of the breakup/separation with Remus. Yes I think she probably did live in Hogsmead, although with the gift of Apparition, geography hardly matters;) *insert envy here*
The GoF line has bothered me too. The reason I don't think he rented is because I don't think he'd have the funds to perpetuate a tenancy agreement! I have to think that he has an ancestral home, one that he could not bear to part with for money. I don’t mean to imply that the home is palatial or grand or anything, just that he’d keep it for loyalties sake.
Mysteries indeed, I once again assert my wish/plea for a complementary novel about the adult characters in the books.
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Sounds good...look foreward to checking it out, sweets.
~C
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I'm having dialogue probs at the mo. We can talk about it on Sunday.
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